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Title: Meet the new forfour
Post by: J500ANT on September 04, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
http://www.thesmartclub.com/board/showthread.php?24835-The-next-generation-smarts-the-smart-fourjoy-concept.&p=169115#post169115

Ladies & Gentlemen, this will turn into your new smart forfour - a car that's basically going to be a LWB version of the next generation fortwo.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Scoobysook on September 04, 2013, 10:36:53 PM
They won't make it that funky- will they?
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: CrazyG on September 04, 2013, 10:37:44 PM
Thanks for the update/info....
shame that the 'real' car seldom if ever turns out to be as good as the 'concept'.
So you can wave goodbye to the fancy looking seats, the big alloys, and a few
other 'excentricities' and gizmos that make a concept what it is...just a concept. 

And re that concept....let's face it...if that ever got into production as it is
with no side impact protection to speak of, who in their right mind would
want to be in one if it ever got t-boned by a motorbike, van, lorry or bus !
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Problemchild on September 04, 2013, 11:30:41 PM
Thanks for postig that up J500

not great but not as crap as it could have been............

obviously it won't be sold like this

i'm imagining it with doors etc

JJ
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Wangswong on September 04, 2013, 11:31:28 PM
Doors might be an extra like the Twizy :)
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Classiccar on September 05, 2013, 12:07:42 AM
Just another concept. Smart only builds concepts over many years in stead of innovating. I am not interested untill I see any ready for production images. If they want to sell it in 2014, then it's about time to do that.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: mr singh on September 05, 2013, 01:00:15 AM
i reckon with the doors fitted and 'proper' seats its a very good looking car. i do wonder if it will look like that though.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: funkydoodycool on September 05, 2013, 12:43:08 PM
They won't make it that funky- will they?

Well I don't know ;)
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Unknown on September 05, 2013, 01:03:00 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/smart-fourjoy-concept-unveiled

Reading on Autocar's website, I think they have made up their mind already on the new car...

"Prospective buyers of the upcoming Forfour can expect an altogether less flamboyant interior with cheaper materials in line with the existing Fortwo and accommodation for up to five through the inclusion of a three-across split/fold rear seat."

It is very hard to tell what the next generation will look and be like until a production ready vehicle is seen.

Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: evilution on September 05, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
Add doors, glass, roof and a toned down interior and this is 95% the new forfour.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: J500ANT on September 05, 2013, 10:59:26 PM
And here's the sister car, the next Renault Twingo.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113090562487/next-gen-renault-twingo-spied-looks-like-the-twinrun
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Baggy on September 06, 2013, 11:26:38 AM
i like them both

but will see what the price  the new one is ... hope they dont make the same mistake and price it out compared to the competition
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: kanapa1 on November 12, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Fourjoy -  :-\  ???  >:(.

(http://smartklub.pl/attachment.php?aid=6209)

(http://smartklub.pl/attachment.php?aid=6208)
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Brabs on November 12, 2013, 09:50:42 PM
I'm thinking that the "plastic" panels will be canned as probably too expensive to produce. They'll probably fake it with painted steel ones. More dumbing down I'm afraid. Makes it all,the more likely that mine will be keepers for as long as possible.  ;)

 :)
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: CrazyG on November 12, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
I'm thinking the same too....

On 're-visiting' the Autocar link and having a look thru them
I noted the comment made in/on picture 8......
"The concept's compact dimensions would make it ideal for inner city use"

Yeah right !  Compact in who's eye;s ? It's bigger by a mile than the VW Up
and 'ideal'....if you don't have any luggage as it has not boot !
Ok, this one is electric, so the batteries take up the frontal space, but as
n when the internal combustion versions come out the engine is in the
back....but that still leaves nowhere for suitcases. (maybe they'll have
and opening front 'a la original Beetle' and have room enough for a
laptop bag or handbag...just.

The production model will never 'hit the streets' with those wheels, as
they're too way too big and too expensive for 'JoePublic'.
They're 3 bolt, so it's a shame they aren't generally available as I would
have a set for my 451 (ForTwo)...they're so cool.

And my final passing comment is why did they marry up the latest ForTwo
bottom front panel to a Toyota IQ front end with a beehive in it ?
Surely Renault/Nissan have a front end from one of their cars that they
could've used instead ?

Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: J500ANT on March 02, 2014, 08:51:40 AM
http://www.worldcarfans.com/114022470720/smart-forfour-spied-first-time-with-production-body
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: djames108 on March 02, 2014, 10:36:36 AM
Looks like a lardy fiat 500

I shall steer well clear, thanks merc for making the forfour boring!
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Problemchild on March 02, 2014, 10:38:09 AM
Numeric black/white ;)

JJ
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: mr singh on March 02, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
Looks like a lardy fiat 500

I shall steer well clear, thanks merc for making the forfour boring!

your looking at a car in disguise. you wont be able to make out the full features of the finished product. you never know under all the camouflage it might look good. you carnt blame mercedes for the look. blame the designers!
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: CrazyG on March 02, 2014, 12:29:34 PM
Ermmm...the designers work for Mercedes...so you can blame them.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: airSnake on March 02, 2014, 01:04:53 PM
It would look nicer if it didn't have the proportions of a Fiat Panda and held a stance closer to the original ForFour, instead of a wardrobe on wheels. Now it looks just like everything else, why buy this?
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: djames108 on March 02, 2014, 03:23:32 PM
It would look nicer if it didn't have the proportions of a Fiat Panda and held a stance closer to the original ForFour, instead of a wardrobe on wheels. Now it looks just like everything else, why buy this?

My thoughts exactly, I originally got a forfour as there was nothing even close to it - and there hasn't been since either. Considering it was based on a colt nobody knows as its that different - they did it right, took the chassis and engine and completely changed everything else instead of just cloning something else and slapping a different badge on (And probably charging more).

I mean......Panoramic roof, lounge seats, foldable rear seats, adjustable rear bench, plastic panels. All things no small car did at the time and some still don't! The plastic panels are genius - dont dent, easy to swap/replace yet no one else has tried it? must be cheaper too with the increasing cost of metals.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: brulaw on March 02, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
From the look of that picture the best thing  to do with the " new "  forfour is to leave the camouflage on ,

All this is going towards making the original ( ours )  a classic ,
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: basilbrush on March 02, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
I'm inclined to agree. If you watch the camouflage being peeled off the Twingo http://networkedblogs.com/TMyT9 I fear the two cars will be about as dissimilar as the Peugeot 107 and the Toyota Aygo.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Fox on March 03, 2014, 06:37:52 AM
No thanks.

I don't like the fugly pig faced front end they have been doing on recent things and I think this looks to have that shape.

If the twingo and this are close to identical, I can guess which will sell better.

I like the twingo but I don't like these new smart front ends I've been seeing.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: mozilla on March 03, 2014, 11:29:02 AM
Where does the radiator go if the engines in the back? Same issue getting cold air to an intercooler without using ridiculously long piping. Does that rule out a hot hatch version?
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: djames108 on March 03, 2014, 01:03:59 PM
Even if they do a 'hot' version it'll still be fugly ;)

I just hope mine lasts now coz I wouldn't know what to replace it with as all the current ones get higher and higher mileage :(
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Problemchild on March 03, 2014, 01:29:27 PM
I think it's just impossible to comment on mule cars - they just don't look like the final product.

JJ
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: CrazyG on March 03, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
As I've posted elsewhere.....the ForTwo and the ForFour will share
the same powerplant and transmission, so whichever way you look
at it...even if Renaultsport or Brabus get to 'play' with the engine...
the ForTwo being smaller and lighter will be the faster of the 2, though
maybe it won't handle as well as the larger ForTwo+2...oops ForFour.
Who knows.

And why that fugly front end that is so noticable...?
To meet the new requirements for pedestrian impact/crash testing.
Though why anyone would want to step out in front of a moving
vehicle is beyond me ! Maybe they're stunned mid-stride with
disbelief at how ugly the new Twingo/ForFour is....LOL.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
Wait a minute, the Twingo is very nice! This new forfour however made our original ones into instant classics :D.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Fox on March 03, 2014, 03:07:47 PM
Where does the radiator go if the engines in the back? Same issue getting cold air to an intercooler without using ridiculously long piping. Does that rule out a hot hatch version?

I would guess it is in the front. Both the Rad and the intercooler. Same as on the fortwo and many other rear engine, watercooled vehicles.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: basilbrush on March 03, 2014, 11:56:23 PM
Wait a minute, the Twingo is very nice! This new forfour however made our original ones into instant classics :D.

That just about sums it up Alex. Most of the people on here have gone into the Forfour experience as secondhand owners and have been buying into a classic. The Forfour is different from the mainstream cars, but is also basically conventional. The new Forfour is not being produced for any of you it's for a new market and new buyers. I believe this new car to be a sideshow to the Fortwo and something else to put in the showrooms whilst Renault will be pushing the Twingo hard as their city car. What they are producing is another city car to compete wth all the other city cars that every other manufacturer is churning out nowadays.
I wonder why neither Renault or Mercedes seem to be keen on producing the car in their own country and providing jobs for their own people. There is more to this than meets the eye with the way companies shift money across borders and pay or not pay corporation tax etc .
Anyway it will be brave buyers that go for a rear wheel drive car with unproven dsg drive train.
I thought that the French had long given up on rear engined cars and as the owner of a new Hillman Imp in the seventies I sort of know why. The Imp was a little character, but only beat the mini on price.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Problemchild on March 04, 2014, 01:54:29 PM
I'm sure they will do an RS twingo so similar BRABUS/AMG tuned forfour ;)

Is the fortwo not just awaiting a smaller engine from Renault?

JJ
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: basilbrush on March 04, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
I'm sure they will do an RS twingo so similar BRABUS/AMG tuned forfour ;)

Is the fortwo not just awaiting a smaller engine from Renault?

JJ

Yes they may tweak it up a bit, but it's never going to be as poky as yours. This article I found seems to cast a bit of doubt on it though http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/Renault-kills-Twingo-133--whats-next-for-the-little-RS-hot-hatch/
 
This is more in tune with what I think is going on http://gomotors.net/news/Daimler-is-going-to-increase-Smart-sales-on-the-Chinese-auto-market/
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Brabs on March 04, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
Wonder what transmission(s) will be used in the new Twingo/forfour? Wonder if a manual will remain?

 :)
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: mozilla on March 04, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
Where does the radiator go if the engines in the back? Same issue getting cold air to an intercooler without using ridiculously long piping. Does that rule out a hot hatch version?

I would guess it is in the front. Both the Rad and the intercooler. Same as on the fortwo and many other rear engine, watercooled vehicles.

Isnt the intercooler underneath at the back of the car? On the roadsters there is a cold air scoop underneath which often gets battered by speed humps
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Fox on March 04, 2014, 05:14:36 PM
Isnt the intercooler underneath at the back of the car? On the roadsters there is a cold air scoop underneath which often gets battered by speed humps

Sorry, yeah. I don't know why I wrote it like that. I did write about them both getting feed from the front of the vehicle. I guess I ballsed that up. Haha. I'd guess the rad at front and ic at rear, either scoop or cold air feed from front or side.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: J500ANT on March 04, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
This Twingo looks promising!
http://www.worldcarfans.com/114030471178/2014-renault-twingo-hits-geneva-with-two-engines-cabin

Seems Renault don't need an air intake on the rear wing, but it seems the forfour does  ??? There are also details on the net about engines (69bhp and 89bhp turbo) 5spd manual or dual clutch gearboxes. Liking it rather a lot!
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Fox on March 04, 2014, 09:18:33 PM
Not sure on that wierd coloured surround on the dash...
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: brulaw on March 05, 2014, 05:58:12 PM
Still looks like a Fiat 500 clone  .....  and I could not get along with that Interior .
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Brabs on March 05, 2014, 08:45:20 PM
I'm a little frustrated as to why there is so much info about the Twingo and yet nex to nothing from MB about the fortwo/forfour! Obviously that item about the Twingo states 'Renault' this and 'Renault' that but I wonder how much MB input will go into the smart versions. Think about the cheapo interior of the Colt compared to our forfours. Well there is no comparison!  >:(
 :)
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: basilbrush on March 05, 2014, 09:21:27 PM
This particular platform sharing collaboration has caused Renault to totally remodel the Twingo in every way. Maybe the deal is to let Renault release first to get their sales and customer acceptance kicked off. The new Forfour is bound to be a stretched version of the new Fortwo and share the dash, seats and equipment.
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: basilbrush on March 05, 2014, 09:32:22 PM
This particular platform sharing collaboration has caused Renault to totally remodel the Twingo in every way. Maybe the deal is to let Renault release first to get their sales and customer acceptance kicked off. The new Forfour is bound to be a stretched version of the new Fortwo and share the dash, seats and equipment.
People are hoping for something special to replace the original Forfour, but I think all you'll get will be two and fourdoor versions of the same thing. I hope it'll be good and will there be a New For four section on here ???
Sorry double post tablet and fingers :(
Title: Re: Meet the new forfour
Post by: Lawton1987 on March 05, 2014, 11:55:49 PM
Was told by my friend who works for smart that the new forfour will have the screen and stereo that is fitted in the a-class, b-class etc. a rearview parking camera or sensors. Will also have the crosswind assist that is fitted in the s-class and the option to have the mercedes night styling added to the car.