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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 10:11:50 PM »

Il have a look at the Smic I may be able to run a water to air intercooler. Il have the bumper off over the weekend so should be able to get some sizes and see what's available although more complex And expensive It may gain in effiency due to having a short pipe route
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2015, 10:25:17 PM »

could go top mounted with the intercooler (like the mazda3 mps and the BRAB concept)



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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 10:30:51 PM »

That's actually an idea. I have 3-4 of the tmic's knocking around the only problem is even on the MPs they have an air duct and not efficient  till above 60mph when the air can cool it. Il have a think. What can they make without the intercooler upgrade?
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 10:35:59 PM »

210-220bhp really

the clutch starts to suffer after 200 though so add that to your list

i have enough at 207 because the sound is soooooo superb!

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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 10:39:14 PM »

Ok any preference on clutch?
Here I go again.. I promised I wouldn't mod another car... it went downhill the first night at work and surfing the forum haha
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 10:41:08 PM »

Who made a reliable repeatable 210-220 without IC?

I made 205 without IC at best, but some runs were 190-200 on following runs depending on heatsoak which happened fast.
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 10:49:51 PM »

i made that initially before i got tony to dial it back a bit to 207 to make it more driveable

but that was standard exhaust, cat, manifold, actuator

maybe tony is still playing it quite safe?!?

no idea.

arent we up to 230 with FMIC??? if you only had FMIC and map would that add 20+ bhp?

what most of us are doing is chucking everything on the car and then mapping without knowing what each mod adds

i am gonna stay clear of FMIC short term as an experiment to see what the stock one offers

fuel pump and injectors next i think

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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 11:04:18 PM »

The thing with a better intercooler. Cooler temps means denser air your able to throw more timing at them. If you use methanol it increases your octane to 120 and because you'd spray most probable on the cold pipe of the smic it should give the benefits of running a much larger fmic without the added lag. And also a better octane would mean you'd be able to lean the afr out and add more boost without it knocking or the need for bigger injectors You'd get consistent bats too. Again the only downsides is complexety as you'd need to run a fail safe incase the pump fails to cut boost ideally MAF based and progressive and its added expense
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2015, 11:08:39 PM »

i made that initially before i got tony to dial it back a bit to 207 to make it more driveable

Never knew that, always thought you said you maxed at 207 and got Tony to pull it back a bit from there  ???
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2015, 11:27:30 PM »

is this the right one?
http://www.htecelite.com/shop/brabus-forfour/mitsubishi-colt-czt-colt-ralliart-2-part-scorpion-decat-pipe/

I noticed it says to remove second cat but ours only has one
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2015, 11:43:54 PM »

This pipe is the one I have on my car with a decat pipe up fount ..got mine off ebay
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2015, 12:41:26 AM »

i made that initially before i got tony to dial it back a bit to 207 to make it more driveable

Never knew that, always thought you said you maxed at 207 and got Tony to pull it back a bit from there  ???

it was to be toned down but it turned out my actuator was faulty but power delivery was ok after i fitted the forge one - was going to then go for the boost controller or stiffer spring. Wish i lived around the corner from tony :(

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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2015, 01:33:23 AM »

This pipe is the one I have on my car with a decat pipe up fount ..got mine off ebay
I suppose you don't have any links do you for what I need to decat it completely?
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2015, 04:05:18 AM »

Biggest problem you have is with the standard I/C.
Cost to have one made just a fraction bigger (height n depth,
but not width due to space) just isn't worth the cost. Honest.

The fact is, is that it really doesn't get enough airflow over it.
TBH, if your're after a remap and want to stick with the standard
I/C then you really should remove the plastic shroud that is fitted
to it as it is shaped to fit the 'vent' opening under the combined
fog/indicator light unit. And that opening is quite a bit smaller than
the frontal area of the I/C !  So what do you do to change that, eh ?

Quite simple really, remove the fake N/S air scoop in the Brab lip
spoiler (it is held from behind by oblong 'split' tension clips.)
Jack the car up.. at the left/nearside. Now push n bash the fake grill
around and the clips will oh so slowly scrape n slide off their lugs.
You should just about find some room/space to get a hand behind
or between the lower edge of the Brab spoiler and the front wing.
Now get some black wire mesh and cut it about an inch bigger
or so all round than the fake grill. Cut slots so it can fit over the
original 'lugs' in the back of the Brab lip spoiler. Use the original
clips if possible to hold the mesh in place.  B U T  before you fit it,
carefully cut an opening in the GRP front wing that is directly
behind the grill opening in the Brab lip spoiler. Do that, and you can
then fit the new mesh grill with the sprung clips..or epoxy glue.
(The clips are cheap and easy enough to get hold of from MB if you
loose or break any)
That extra opening you have now made will possibly allow 50% more
air flow through to the unshrouded I/C !.
The only constricton after that will be the amount/number of slotted
vents in the inner wing panel. They really should need increasing to
let this new extra air flow out through. As to how...I'll leave that for
you to decide and work out, but it's all possible.

That 'simple' mod will give you a far better operating I/C than it was
and for relatively little work. (Ultimately if you change lots of other
components, an FMIC would beat that hands down.)

As for lag with an FMIC....you only get that if you go too big on the
dia of the pipework....and most usually do ! So it's simple really....
if you extend the I/C pipework (as you would do with an FMIC) then
keep the dia of the pipework to and from the FMIC smaller than usual,
that way you keep the flow rate up and therefore the lag time down.
(It doesn't matter if you have to 'step up' the dia to the FMIC
  and then 'step it down' again after it.)
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Re: Best bang for buck
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2015, 12:31:18 PM »

Nice idea! I'll certainly give that a try over all things first
« Last Edit: February 20, 2015, 12:43:51 PM by CrazyG »
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