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forfour sump damage ??
« on: July 12, 2013, 12:40:18 PM »
hi, please can anyone tell me how big a job it is to replace the sump on my forfour 1.5 diesel.

my son decided to drive it down a rocky lane and  has put a 40mm long gash approx 6mm wide in the lower part just behind the exhaust clamp ?
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 05:15:33 PM »
Hi! Bad luck there! I'm thinking that it is a very easy job to just unbolt one and bolt on the other. Things you need to make sure of are to fit a new gasket and torque the bolts correctly.
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 12:10:59 PM »
You should have no trouble replacing the sump...and gasket.
The only 'problem' area might be getting to the bolts where the
exhaust goes under the engine at the joint of the gearbox....
but I reckon there is enough space to get to the bolts.

New sump....2x part numbers for it.
A 6390100513   and    A 6390100613
Gasket ...again 2x part numbers for 1 part ?
A 6390140322   and    A 6390140422
 
Assume the higher numbered one supercedes the other....

If you decide to use a gasket 'sealant', choose a silicone type as it stays flexible.
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2013, 03:25:18 PM »
'G' one could possibly be for the 3 pot and the other for the 4 pot engine?!
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 06:48:21 AM »
Both 'pairs' of part numbers show for the 3 pot 1.5 CDI    :D

('pot' is a alternative word that is used for 'cylinder'....so 3 pot
   is actually 3 cylinder...OK ?)
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 03:36:31 PM »
thanks for the help, i looked under the car but it was hard to see due to it being so low.
the sump looks like it is connected to the gearbox.
do you know if it is possible to remove the sump without having to disturb or remove the box  ?
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 05:55:17 PM »
No, the sump is not connected to the gearbox in any way! It is a separate item held on by a series of star headed bolts. You need a set of ramps or axle stands. DO NOT be tempted to get under the car without them!
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 09:33:52 AM »
thanks for the quick reply, is it worth buying a new gasket or will silicone be ok ?
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 05:04:58 PM »
Hi again! In my opinion for the relative small outlay I would certainly buy a new gasket as well. Make sure that you thoroughly clean off any of the old gasket before fitting. Then it'll be job done and never need to do it again!  ;)
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 06:17:01 PM »
Get a new gasket too - it's probably relatively cheap

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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2013, 03:46:16 PM »
thanks for the help, have just ordered new sump and gasket.
please can anyone give me the torque settings and socket sizes required to replace the sump
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2013, 06:02:08 PM »
Hope that this helps. Seems that I might have been wrong and the transmission one does have to be removed as well! Also there is mention of sealing compound not a gasket! Ooops! Still shouldn't be too tricky (he says optimistically!) Let us know how you get on!





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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 10:32:33 AM »
that is great , it will make life a lot easier,thanks for the help

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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2013, 06:17:54 PM »
Kind of wierd that they mention sealant, yet in the parts page they show and list a gasket ? ! ?   ???
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Re: forfour sump damage ??
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2013, 07:13:20 PM »
Quote from: CrazyG on July 22, 2013, 06:17:54 PM
yet in the parts page they show and list a gasket ? ! ?   ???

is it a gasket gasket or is it/ does it supersead to a liquid gasket
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