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iJay

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BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« on: January 09, 2012, 10:23:16 PM »

BMW was calling me. 525D M Sport

my collegue has the same one. same 0-60 as the brabus but a lot more economical since diesel. good choice.
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 535D M sport
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 12:17:47 AM »

What you save by running the diesel you pay out for on the servicing and spare parts.
You may also save on the insurance.....perhaps.
But...you loose your individuality as you now join 'the masses' of BMW owners.....LOL...
I shouldn't knock it though...as i have had BMW's.....my last was an M5.
Then I 'discovered' Smarts.

Have sent you a PM by the way B8TFK.
(no, not to make an offer on the car, in case anyone wonders.)
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 535D M sport
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 02:19:22 PM »

BMW was calling me. 525D M Sport

my collegue has the same one. same 0-60 as the brabus but a lot more economical since diesel. good choice.

who said bmw 525d m sport 0 to 60 same as brabus 44? please check the specs well. bb44 will eat them any day any time.
thats the spec for 2010 525d m sport. even fuel consumption to that great. insurance gp same as bb44
adv. bigger, quieter, and easily remap. :)
Fuel consumption (urban)    33.2 mpg
Fuel consumption (extra urban)    53.3 mpg
Fuel consumption (combined)    43.5 mpg
0 - 62 mph    7.7 seconds
Top speed    146 mph
Cylinders    6
Valves    24 v
Engine power    197 bhp
Engine torque    295 lbs/ft
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 535D M sport
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 02:21:12 PM »

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Re: BRAB vs BMW 535D M sport
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 02:47:45 PM »

BMW was calling me. 525D M Sport

my collegue has the same one. same 0-60 as the brabus but a lot more economical since diesel. good choice.

who said bmw 525d m sport 0 to 60 same as brabus 44? please check the specs well. bb44 will eat them any day any time.
thats the spec for 2010 525d m sport. even fuel consumption to that great. insurance gp same as bb44
adv. bigger, quieter, and easily remap. :)
Fuel consumption (urban)    33.2 mpg
Fuel consumption (extra urban)    53.3 mpg
Fuel consumption (combined)    43.5 mpg
0 - 62 mph    7.7 seconds
Top speed    146 mph
Cylinders    6
Valves    24 v
Engine power    197 bhp
Engine torque    295 lbs/ft
Please note

parker's might have got it wrong then:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/bmw/5-series/saloon-2010/52909/
and bmw:
http://bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications_technical_specs/0,,1156_181256731__bs-NQ%3D%3D%40bb-TEkxMA%3D%3D%40bm-WjUyMw%3D%3D,00.html?tab=technicalSpec&isPGA=
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 535D M sport
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 03:08:04 PM »

The thing that caught my eye was the comment that what you saved on fuel with a diesel you lost on servicing and parts.
My Brabus does 30 mpg on average and just did 18,000 miles before the service light came on (if you ignore the 6,000 mile extra oil changes, which cost less than a tank of fuel to carry out).  Over 18,000 miles, at 30 mpg we are talking 600 gallons or 2,700 litrs or approx £4,000.
The diesel (hot) hatch we have in the house hold (Seat Lean Cupa FR150) requires a service every 10,000 miles and even when driven hard, still achieves 50 mpg.  The parts to service this car cost less than the parts to service the Brabus, (even more so if you include the OEM brake pads that each had at their last service).  At 50 mpg, over 18,000 miles, you would use 360 gallons or 1,600 litrs of fuel, which would cost just under £2,300. 

You can do quite a few extra services for £1,700.
Its not all bad for the Brabus though.  Its faster and more nimble and much more fun to drive (even though the Cupra is not slow).  Also, as mentioned in another thread, the Cupra has suffered several reliability issues over the last 12 months, which have used up most, but not all, of its cost advantage.
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 03:27:35 PM »

Split the topic into for sale and BMW chat ;)

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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 02:24:13 AM »

BigDunc...
what I meant in respect of 'what you save with the diesel you spend on servicing n parts' relates
to the cost of genuine BMW parts and labour at a BMW garage. The costs are as high as for an MB.

An independant can do the work on a Brab for 1/2 -> 2/3rds the labour cost of BMW or MB.
And though the spares are a bit more than a 'normal' ForFour, they're still cheaper than spares
for an MB or a Beemer 'luxo barge'.

But hey...let's not argue over a few 'squids'.....the Brab is so much more fun...and not just one of
your average run of the mill mainstream 'clone mobile's'.
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 08:26:43 PM »

Just to say iv had the BMW now for 2 months and my old brabus will sh*t all over the bmw to 70mph and thats all it will do.

The bmw is a better car all round just isnt that indavidal. But what the hell when you have all that luxury in a car who wants to be induvidal. My brabus did around 25mpg avarage so i dont know where all theas high mpg readings come from??

I think once you move from a smart to a big car like the bmw thats it never will you drive a smart agen. Not going to lie the 44 brabus was good fun. but my back was kiling me after five years. and you can still have fun in the bmw. iv had the back end out many times since i have bought the car.
tyers are a killer i spent 1000 on all 4 tyers conti sport 3.
 
Parts are not that cheaper from smart thay are just as good at riping you off at BMW.

Any way at the end of the day how can you compear a smart car to a BMW thay are two totaly difrant cars. smart was 17k new and the bmw was 33k.
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 08:31:22 PM »

I agree with you and that's what I'm scared of!

Luckily I have a wife and I have been showing her old 7-series .... The luxury is awesome! We also went to look at a vw phaeton but servicing costs were just too high!

The BMWs look awesome but I do prefer the newer mercs ;)

(the new 3-series looks hideous)

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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 05:49:40 PM »

Mercedes C series C250 CDI saloon would be my choice every day, 0-60: 7 seconds, 149mph, and 58MPG, just can't argue with those specs. Extremely nice interiors, lovely styling and available for around £16,000 at the moment, ok, a lot more than a brabus 44 but not as old.
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 06:45:06 PM »

id have an XF 3.0 diesel, pre facelift.
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 06:49:44 PM »

I would have to have an AMG - the sound is wow!

Could never afford one though ;)

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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 11:16:14 AM »

An AMG would be nice, and not that expensive if you settle for an older one.  I would be afraid, no, make that very afraid, of very large bills.

I am with Mr Singh here.  A 3.0 diesel XF would be a nice way to tool around the place, nice and comfy, should go nicely when required, not too costly to run, plenty of space for kids in the back.  Just need to save up a bit (and it would mean selling something, and while I have a nice selection on the drive / in the garage, I really dont want to part with any of them).
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Re: BRAB vs BMW 525D M sport
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 12:16:50 PM »

Only 42 Mpg on the Jaguar, 0-60 is 6.7 seconds, but it looks like they are depreciating more rapidly than the Mercedes as well.

Do like the Jaguars, best looking car in quite a while, still take the C250 CDI though, its just better.

Less emissions also, Jag 179, Merc, 153
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